Talk:Bob Murray (ice hockey, born 1954)

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Merge

This page, should be merged with Bob Murray (hockey player). What do you think? GoodDay 20:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ask, and you shall receive. The pages have been merged. GoodDay 22:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

I'd recommend this article be moved to Bob Murray (born 1954) & the Robert John Murray article, to Bob Murray (born 1948). GoodDay (talk) 22:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Incident at Joe Louis Arena

This section seems entirely trivial to me. Comments? - SummerPhD (talk) 04:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus is to go with the current ice hockey standard practice. No consensus on the primary topic issue, but no prejudice against a new RM discussing that issue. Jenks24 (talk) 14:32, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Frederick Murray → Bob Murray (ice hockey b. 1954) – Move over an existing redirect. The guideline for diambiguating hockey players used to recommend using a middle name rather than year of birth. This was recently changed and middle names are only considered a good option if that middle name is reasonably well known and used reasonably frequently in sources. I think this is a case where the middle name is rarely if ever used and unlikely to be known to our readers. Pichpich (talk) 22:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support, moving but why not to Bob Murray (ice hockey, born 1954).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was under the impression that (ice hockey b. xxxx) was the standard format. This is hard to quantify but at least anecdotally (ice hockey, born xxxx) appears to be rare and Alain Cote (ice hockey, born 1957), Harry Watson (ice hockey born 1923), Billy Taylor (ice hockey born 1919) among many others are all redirects. For more anecdotal evidence see these two searches [1] [2]. That being said, I don't really care and if there's good evidence that (occupation, born xxxx) is the standard outside of the ice hockey project, I'd certainly consider moving every ice hockey article to that format. Pichpich (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen David Baker (poker player, born 1972)/David Baker (poker player, born 1986), Tony Mitchell (basketball, born 1989)/Tony Mitchell (basketball, born 1992), but I have also seen John Smith (Medal of Honor, b. 1831)/John Smith (Medal of Honor, b. 1826). At David Jones see Dave Jones (footballer born 1932), Dave Jones (footballer born 1956), David Jones (footballer born 1914), David Jones (footballer born 1940), David Jones (footballer born 1955), David Jones (footballer born 1964), David Jones (footballer born 1984). I.e., comma v. no comma, born v. b. and player v. no player. I have looked at WP:DAB and WP:NATURAL. I am not sure. I would ask at WP:WPDAB.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:00, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency throughout the project is desirable but given the fact that there's currently no consistency whatsoever, I have a bad feeling about starting a discussion on it. I'm afraid this will be an example of a non-issue that still manages to generate 5 megabytes of increasingly acrimonious debates that are closed as no-consensus. Pichpich (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. To have both "ice hockey" and the year of birth in the title is WP:OVERPRECISION. This article got 2,332 page views in the last 90 days, the other hockey player named "Bob Murray" got 239, and the businessman got 1,650. Kauffner (talk) 04:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per new naming conventions and other RMs. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RFC NOTIFICATION - Comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation#2nd_order_disambiguation_by_birth_date_-_RFC.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:26, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- RFC moved - See Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(people)#RFC-birth_date_format_conformity_when_used_to_disambiguate.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:44, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support to bring the article in line with the ice hockey naming conventions. -DJSasso (talk) 13:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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